[DISCUSSION] 327th Stay in Your Lane!!

[Picasso]

First things first, I'm AM NOT writing this post to stir beef or drama between regiments. I'm here to voice my opinion (as the forums should be used) on a matter which I've had a personal gripe over for a while. To also preface this, I've never played 327th, not my taste. I have however played 212th for a relatively short period of time, achieved Ghost Company and played around with the tanks and walker a fair bit, so I'm not speaking entirely from an outsider perspective.

AND WITH THAT OUT OF THE WAY: In my opinion, 327th should not have ground vehicles. 327th are an engineering/"support" regiment, however, the term "support" is used quite loosely when applied to 327th. I don't believe INFANTRY/MECHANIZED "SUPPORT" should be 327ths area. From my understanding this has always been 212ths job, and should remain that way. The argument I've heard in the past for 327th having vehicles like the ATSW have all been along the lines of:

• 327th have nothing to do on the FL / 327th can't support the FL
• 327th is boring during planetaries / pushes.
• 327th don't get perms to use their aircraft enough.

The answer to two of those is quite simple: if you want frontline action, don't join the support RP regiment. If you want to have cool vehicles and walkers, join the regiment who's whole gimmick is just that!! As for the aircraft that's simply bad event planning, everyones role / fun should be considered when planning for big events like planetaries. 327th have their gimmick, engineering stuff, and in my opinion in an attempt to make the regiment more appealing it's spiralled out of control and lost it's original premise. In my opinion both the ISP and ATSW should be removed from 327th. In turn you could argue for buffs, more air vehicles or something else which makes the regiment unique and stand-out. Just don't go treading on other regiments toes. FL support using vehicles shouldn't be 327ths thing, that'd be like GM getting their own engineers to hack gens, or *insert regiment here* getting their own set of cuffs to discipline their own troops for break regulations.

What are your opinions on this? Am I batshit crazy for suggesting regiments should stop overreaching/overstepping their boundaries? Do you agree or meet me somewhere in the middle? At the end of the day this doesn't effect me or the regiment I currently play. If people want something done then it's up to them to sit down and sort it out. If nothing comes of it, eh so what, I just wanted to bring this conversation to attention. Maybe you will notice other regiments overreaching on other things? Who knows?

Remember the opening line to this post. Please keep the discussion civilized.

 

[tomery]

how many gold stars are on your name badge now?

 

[Val]

All the points made on this forum post are valid. He's very right about a lot of the 327th's role in the FL infantry for example, which is more 501st and GM-based, with 212th being the mechanized Support Regiment with AT-TEs and TXs Why not add 327th ground vehicles to 212th as for all intense purposes they only get 2 ground vehicles, even though their entire gimmic, as Picasso puts it, is ground vehicles, And with another point he brings up that is valid as well, if you want frontline action, going 327th makes no sense for it. Do they have shotguns? Yes, but they are almost useless on the FL The shotguns are more suited for AIC or CQC areas, like where most RS Gens are most of the time, and like Picasso also mentioned, you should try to find something unique for the regiment to have, which makes it more appealing to join and again makes it stand out more.

Also, Picasso, you are not batshit crazy, as this is most likely the best post made that has common sense.

 

[DylanGaming]

picasso pal this is Gmod not some English GCSE Exam

 

[Picasso]

Sorry Dylan! Next time I will not use words with more then 8 letters or 4 syllables

 

[LoCho]

Lets not get into scouting drones aswell or they'll explode.

 

[Mondo]

i see your points and they all seem semi valid however you also gotta renember we are often pushed into FL due to us heaving a standart DC-15S and it would be boring to just stand in one place until we are needed as well as costing us time to run from spawn to an RS just to run back once hacked, the scouting drones are preety underused and only ussualy deployed when OD wants one for himself or when we are just boared, we never used drones in an actual fassion and i do not belive we still have the AT-SW however i might be wrong will get back to you on that once K-comp lead aswears, the ship point is nobodies fault other then the event hosts and even they cannot always help it due to just the map they want to use. also K-comp is actualy mant to be a bit of a front line assistance, thats why they can build fortifications and why they ussualy have been used during breaches on the other hand the ISP also known as infintry support platform it is not possible to fight any tanks as it fails to even face off againts the standart AAT due to it not having the proper armor for facing off againts it and even if we still have the AT-SW it was mostly used as a AA due to its lack of proper damage output even when our viechles were all LFS there for i do not think 212th would even utilise such a viechle as they would default to a TX or ATTE if possible. in conclusion i do not think 327th is over reaching by that much as we mostly are used in support of the FL and tend to assist whenever we can including in taking down RS's or enemy troops using all availible equipment.

edit: i have learned we indeed no longer have the AT-SW also quick note this is my own opinion and not the hole 327th as each member will think of this difrently

 

[Lexi]

or when we are just boared, we never used drones in an actual fassion

i feel like this just opened the flood gates for the drone argument lmao. why do you have drones if you only use them to piss about and for no other reason? youre not a scouting reg so cant use the argument of scouting though i suppose that's why they were added. just sounds like it's a bit of a toy for 327th to play with when they get bored of their tanks.

 

[Tom]

I feel like the post does make sense, in the end it is quite strange for a support regiment to have so much equipment that can destroy the FL. Not sure how strong the ISP is overall, I just know it is unable to go up against AAT's and is probably much weaker compared to the TX and stands no chance against it. But it does seem a bit out of place considering how much equipment 327th managed to get compared to other regiments, to list it off they got Drones (A huge variety), Aircrafts (A huge variety), Engineering tools (Used in pretty much all events), Shotguns (Used a lot for defence or maybe even breaches if anything) and Fortifications tablet (Used EVERY event in breaches in defending AIC and etc.). I know it's not fun to keep 327th boring and all these additions were meant to compensate for lack of action they get but it is quite crazy if you compare it to what for example 501st got and GM the imbalance is quite crazy and the variety of equipment is already crazy without even mentioning the ISP. That's my general thought on it, but hope that there would be some resolve to this cause never thought about it that way.

 

[Mondo]

i feel like this just opened the flood gates for the drone argument lmao. why do you have drones if you only use them to piss about and for no other reason? youre not a scouting reg so cant use the argument of scouting though i suppose that's why they were added. just sounds like it's a bit of a toy for 327th to play with when they get bored of their tanks.

i cannot argue with the nano drone but the other drones we do actualy use whenever we have enought talon and we are allowed to, the only actualy in mission reasons we use them is for a drone vent to hack stuff or when we are asked to but leave the other drones out of this

 

[Mondo]

I feel like the post does make sense, in the end it is quite strange for a support regiment to have so much equipment that can destroy the FL. Not sure how strong the ISP is overall, I just know it is unable to go up against AAT's and is probably much weaker compared to the TX and stands no chance against it. But it does seem a bit out of place considering how much equipment 327th managed to get compared to other regiments, to list it off they got Drones (A huge variety), Aircrafts (A huge variety), Engineering tools (Used in pretty much all events), Shotguns (Used a lot for defence or maybe even breaches if anything) and Fortifications tablet (Used EVERY event in breaches in defending AIC and etc.). I know it's not fun to keep 327th boring and all these additions were meant to compensate for lack of action they get but it is quite crazy if you compare it to what for example 501st got and GM the imbalance is quite crazy and the variety of equipment is already crazy without even mentioning the ISP. That's my general thought on it, but hope that there would be some resolve to this cause never thought about it that way.

to answear your question about the ISP, a single TX could take on like 2 or more ISP as it is fairly weak in terms of health and its damage output is fairly alright tho i do must warn i'm in no way a part of K-comp (aka the people who have it) so my knowladge might be mistaken and my word is not from 327th its my own

 

[Tom]

to answear your question about the ISP, a single TX could take on like 2 or more ISP as it is fairly weak in terms of health and its damage output is fairly alright tho i do must warn i'm in no way a part of K-comp (aka the people who have it) so my knowledge might be mistaken and my word is not from 327th its my own

I looked into it now and noticed some general strengths and weaknesses.
Strengths
- Unlimited Ammo with good DPS excluding the 60 rockets they come with. (Compared to TX's 600 ammo with 60 rockets)
- Can avoid the cooling off effect by purely switching from the 1st weapon to the 2nd so has continuous fire.
- Very fast goes up to 100 km/h compared to TX's 48 km/h

Weaknesses
- Rockets seem to be bugged in some way, not sure what that's about or I'm unsure how to use them.
- 1000 hp.

Also some things I have forgotten to mention for 327th equipment list of a lot of equipment, Squad Shields, and Turrets that might have a buff coming in as well. Seems very over the board and would also want to mention that I don't believe there was a proper suggestion about the ISP unless I missed that or it took place ages ago.

 

[Cobala]

I looked into it now and noticed some general strengths and weaknesses.
Strengths
- Unlimited Ammo with good DPS excluding the 60 rockets they come with. (Compared to TX's 600 ammo with 60 rockets)
- Can avoid the cooling off effect by purely switching from the 1st weapon to the 2nd so has continuous fire.
- Very fast goes up to 100 km/h compared to TX's 48 km/h

Weaknesses
- Rockets seem to be bugged in some way, not sure what that's about or I'm unsure how to use them.
- 1000 hp.

Also some things I have forgotten to mention for 327th equipment list of a lot of equipment, Squad Shields, and Turrets that might have a buff coming in as well. Seems very over the board and would also want to mention that I don't believe there was a proper suggestion about the ISP unless I missed that or it took place ages ago.

the isp was given to 327th by dandy as a replacement for the ATSW due to the base switch, the original vehicle that was suggested was more a backline vehicle and we even confirmed with 212th if they would be ok with it and was given the go ahead from them, I think that got denied by the seniors so dandy got a vehicle that was accepted and put it straight in 1 for 1. so there was no suggestion on the forums for it.

 

[Tom]

the isp was given to 327th by dandy as a replacement for the ATSW due to the base switch, the original vehicle that was suggested was more a backline vehicle and we even confirmed with 212th if they would be ok with it and was given the go ahead from them, I think that got denied by the seniors so dandy got a vehicle that was accepted and put it straight in 1 for 1. so there was no suggestion on the forums for it.

Alright fair, didn't see anything about it so obviously questioned it but understand it being a replacement.

 

[Coombe24]

Tbf lads, I have no problem with 327th having ground vehicles. What i do kinda have a problem with is the fact its MILES better than the TX damage wise. Obviously not 327ths fault as their original suggestion was for a vehicle that we both agreed suited them better. Why that got denied i dont know tbh, literally suited their playstyle perfectly.

The ISP is literally a vehicle that suits 212ths playstyle considering our main spec is focused on Fighting vehicles at the front of the FL.

Like i said the main problem with is is that 212th should be the go to people for Tanks and FL vehicles and currently the TX damage output is massively overshadowed by the ISP

(by no mean a dig at 327th just wanted to put across my thoughts)

 

[Matty]

 

[Vex]

I mean maybe a good change would be a ground based troop transport that 327th could use if that was a possibility for when for example a LAAT cant be used due to AA guns etc.

The ISP is good and it does seem like the current way its set up does tread on the 212th toes BUT i reckon with tweaking it'll be a good thing for 327th to have.

As long as 212th isnt bothered by it then thats the key thing, as coombe said. It needs to be weaker compared to the TX.